I was curious how a Fire door is defined?
From the 2018 NFPA Glossary of Terms:
Fire Door: The door component of a fire door assembly.
Fire Door Assembly: Any combination of a fire door, a frame, hardware, and other accessories that together provide a specific degree of fire protection to the opening.
Why the question??? May help also with the answer
OHHH I am not an engineer, so you can discount my reply if you want, and I cannot do math.
I will be adding all interior fire doors to our PM system. My safety guy is under the impression that if it has a closer its a fire door. I'm assuming short of checking each label there is no hard rule?
In terms of the building and life safety codes, Fire Door Assemblies are not required in non-fire resistant rated barriers. Door labels and closing hardware are not a determinate factor in identifying fire door assemblies, fire resistant barriers are the determining factor. You may need to consult the original construction plans to identify the fire resistant barriers.
In the above post, you stated: "fire resistant barriers are the determining factor". I have the problem of the fire door inspection contractor inspecting 150 doors in an 80 bed facility. The are calling every door on the building a "fire door". At $30 per door, this gets a little pricey. Is there somewhere in NFPA 80 that I can point to them to show that not every door is a fire door, but rather only the ones that are part of a fire resistant barrier?
Suggest you send the question to this person also
If a labeled fire door assembly or component is installed in a location where a fire door is not required by code, is the assembly required to be inspected?
There are many circumstances where a fire door or other component with a label may be installed in a location where an opening protective is not required. A door may have been relocated from another opening, the configuration of the building may have changed, or a facility may stock labeled doors – especially labeled hollow metal doors or 20-minute wood doors where the difference in cost is minimal but the door is more versatile.
Although the presence of a label on a door or frame may cause confusion for an AHJ or fire door inspector, the model codes do not prohibit labeled components where they are not needed and do not mandate periodic inspections of these openings. There has been some controversy about this, as NFPA 101 requires life safety features that are obvious to the public to be maintained or removed if not required by code. Some AHJs considered labeled fire door assemblies as life safety features that are obvious to the public, but it appears that this was not the intent of NFPA 101. A change has been proposed for the 2021 edition of the Life Safety Code, which states, “184.108.40.206 Where a door or door frame that is not required to be fire protection-rated is equipped with a fire protection listing label, the door and the door frame shall not be required to meet NFPA 80.”
Based on this proposed change, extraneous labels could remain, without requiring the opening to be maintained as a fire door or inspected annually. However, some AHJs may continue to require these openings to be maintained and inspected as fire door assemblies as long as the labels are present. If it is determined that a labeled component is not required in a particular location, the labels can be removed or covered, depending on the policies of the AHJ. Note that once a label is removed, it can not be reattached.
could remain, without requiring the opening to be maintained as a fire door or inspected annually. However, some AHJs may continue to require these openings to be maintained and inspected as fire door assemblies as long as the labels are present. If it is determined that a labeled component is not required in a particular location, the labels can be removed or covered, depending on the policies of the AHJ. Note that once a label is removed, it can not be reattached.
Well one you are paying the bill, do it seems like you tel the company which doors you want inspected.
Do you have a floor plan showing where rated walls are located, that need rated doors???
The other is take a floor plan and mark which doors you want inspected. Hand them a copy. And just Pay for the doors you Mark.
We have heard this complaint before. If the contractor was responsible to designate the fire doors to be inspected there is definitely a 'fox guarding the hen house'. There should be oversight by the facility.
Our state health care facility federal certification and licensing office has consulted facilities to clearly document which partitions or walls are fire barriers required to meet the 2012 Life Safety Code on life safety plans. Life safety plans should be utilized for fire safety survey and facility inspection, testing, and maintenance proposes. We also suggest the 1 or 2-hour fire barriers to marked on the walls above the suspended ceilings, if possible, to correlate with the life safety plans so contractors know to firestop or protect wall openings and penetrations. Then survey those door openings to ensure they are properly labeled as required by Section 4.2 of the 2019 NFPA 80. If the life safety plan that reflects compliance to the 2012 NFPA 101 does not require fire barrier walls, then the location was not requiring a rated opening protection. The door inspector can use the alternative to the specific labeling in Section 4.2.4 and no door inspection per Chapter 5 required. The logic of the listed and labeled products of Section 4.2 of NFPA 80 supports my statement: 'Door labels and closing hardware are not a determinate factor in identifying fire door assemblies, fire resistant barriers are the determining factor.'
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